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A “Reddit meme” is anything that someone does not like? 🤪

Maybe you could drink calories, like a sugary liquid, then postpone eating a meal after the run? If you even need it by then, bc the exercise may release enough stored in your body. We are all different - no shame should be attached to that, imho, we just each need to find what works for us individually.

Like I can’t exercise first thing in the morning - I’ll get nauseous most days. But I can for sure exercise in the evening or any other time! Thus… I do that then. It really helps a ton! 😀

On the other hand, the (God-) hand is way more powerful than even that:-).

Apple should pony up some of the money they made on OSX sales and pay some WINE developers

That does sound nice.

I was agreeing with you, you dick. (There, how’s that?:-P)

Where did I say “Linux users”? Or for that matter, “only”? We were discussing the OP meme, not extrapolating beyond that to stereotype all Linux users. I mean… I use Linux, so why would I stereotype myself like that as well!?:-P

Also where did “complete inability to do so” come from? You can use emulation software such as Parallels or VMWare Fusion, or you could dual-boot into a 32-bit OS. So there’s 3 ways to accomplish the task. Granted, none as easy as if the Wine FOSS had decided to implement the task by itself, but just because they choose not to does not mean that any of those other 3 approaches will not work (bc they will).

Though yeah, I could see your last point. Tim Cook’s Apple making that business decision to switch from Intel x86 to the M-series chips and then not provide a Rosetta internal emulation system definitely can earn that for-profit corporation some negative thoughts, in comparison to FOSS. Then again, it sorta makes sense to me bc it’s a very niche case, to emulate old 32-bit x86 Windows programs on a 64-bit M-series modern Mac. They decided that the cost wasn’t worth it to them, when Parallels and VMWare Fusion already can handle the situation. So following that logic, shouldn’t we similarly be making fun of Wine, for also not stepping up to fill this gap? And all the more so bc it’s not a greedy for-profit megamaniacal corporation, but supposed to be there to provide for people’s needs, free of cost? I wonder what the logic behind that was? Perhaps that Steam exists now, so the need for such is again… just like for the Apple corporatization… too niche to bother with? If both for-profit Apple and FOSS Wine are in agreement here on that point, then I don’t really see the meme as much of a humorous joke. But maybe I’m just too unfunny to get it:-D.

I had something similar, and yeah you can replace the entire OS with a customized version, which took someone significant effort to strip away the GA (Google Apps probably?) from it. So the answer depends on how much effort you want to put into the task - it’s doable, but not easy.

Okay, but read my 3rd sentence. Though yeah, what you said is somewhat true as well - except that Mac OSX does provide a ton of stuff right out of the box, included in the price you might say, whoever pays it; also, many Linux programs require payment too, like a game on Steam, and also, many FOSS programs can work on Mac as well, especially if someone has already put in the effort to figure out how to get it to compile. So it’s not “barely anything”, even though it is lesser. Oh and also, if your work picks up the pricetag for the paid apps, then that solves that issue as well.

They both have their uses, by different people at different times - e.g. a Mac if you can get access to one, while a Linux at home if you cannot.

This is a good thing 😊

Tbf, I think the idea is that closed source is not necessarily “bad” per se but rather “unstable”, like how Reddit was closed source and then enshittified, leaving no access to it. Which reveals the limitations of that style of thinking: part of what made Reddit so accessible was that it was centralized, so even if someone did spin up a new Reddit (didn’t that actually happen, now that I come to think of it? or at least an older version of its sourcecode?), it still would not work to replace the “Reddit” that we knew. There can be only one… for such a non-federated platform.

Conversely, Kbin was open source, and spawned Mbin after Kbin.social died and Ernst stopped working so much on Kbin. Then again… look at Mbin now, barely any further ahead than it was when it was still Kbin? (In contrast, PieFed is adding new features like mad!) And the OP meme seems to me more a reflection on how open-source Wine never bothered to add support for running 32-bit x86 old Windows on a 64-bit modern Mac running on an M-series chip. In contrast, there are multiple other solutions already existing: Parallels, VMWare Fusion, and dual booting with a 32-bit Mac OS to name 3 examples. Just bc Wine doesn’t do the task, doesn’t mean that other, non-FOSS software can’t and won’t.

And even on Linux, you still would need the extra step to install libraries to get 32-bit programs running on a 64-bit architecture. So downloading and installing stuff isn’t limited to just Macs, it’s Linux too, for this exact scenario.

Or, to hear the meme tell it, Linux never has any problems ever, i.e. “in-group good, but out-group bad”. Sigh…

Yes, but apparently those libraries aren’t already present on a computer by default? So the Linux user has to download and install them.

While on a Mac, the user also has to download and install an emulator, such as Parallels or VMWare Fusion (or dual-boot with an older 32-bit OS). So it’s downloading and installing something aka extra work either way.

Except that emulators for Mac aren’t FOSS. Except Wine that while there is an unofficial 64-bit version that works on Mac, it does not support 32-bit games (on an M-series chip, emulating a x86 one). At a guess, someone did not bother making such bc Steam now exists that works so well?

But this meme suffers from inaccuracies by (1) pretending that nobody has ever had any problems with Linux, ever, and (2) that this singular event once in the past 20 years of computing, and this even 6 years ago already, makes Macs “bad”, and (3) somehow blaming Mac for the decision of the Wine developers to not make software that would work across both software (running Windows on a Mac) and chip architectures (running 32-bit programs meant for x86 chips on a 64-bit M-series chip instead). Why is that a problem with a Mac, especially if you don’t need or want to run such programs, or if you do, then you are willing to download and install an emulator rather than solely use Wine, which those devs have not made work in this case?

This meme is not very insightful, and instead perpetuates the stereotypical “in-group good, but out-group bad” philosophy, imho.

Macs back then made a big deal about being backwards compatible, unlike Windows, at the time. Now the roles have switched, as you say. The transition from Steve Jobs to Tim Cook was rather impactful to the Apple ecosystem.

Still, the situation in the meme describes one event that happened 6 years ago, where Apple moved from x86 architecture to the M-series, all of once in the last 20 some odd years of computing.

But Linux has zero problems? (Again, according to the meme) I feel like I’ve occasionally had some problems with Linux, just as I’ve had problems with Mac, and between the two of them I’ve had far more issues with the former than the latter.

To be fair, emulators such as Parallels and VMWare Fusion are not free, while Linux is open source FOSS. But for perhaps that reason… why has nobody built a version of Wine that works on a 64-bit Mac (they have btw) and includes native support for the older 32-bit architectures? Like, isn’t this a failure of the Wine approach (again: FOSS architecture) to keep up with hardware, more than an actual problem with using a Mac? If somebody were to build that, then the problem would be solved? (Which again, it already is, by Parallels and VMWare Fusion, just not FOSS.)

In any case, I just don’t see the humor here, when all I see is the tribal “in-group good, but out-group bad” philosophy on display. There are plenty of issues with Macs - but this is hardly one of them, it seems to me. Especially when after digging in sufficiently deeply to understand it, you find that it’s actually a deficiency with Wine, not Apple.

Doesn’t iOS also force updating apps?

I haven’t used iOS in 10 years, but I do recall that even on older Android devices, Netflix wants you to keep closer to the current version (oddly enough, even for a 1st or 2nd gen Chromecast?). So I think not technically, although I don’t know the current status, but even so, yeah, but same as Android too. Ofc, at some point the device gets so old that Apple won’t let you update it any longer, so that’s one way to get it to stop updating:-P.

In researching this a bit more, I confirm that 64-bit Mac not running 32-bit programs is a valid criticism. However, my original point stands: what Linux system can also allow you to do similarly? Especially across a different chip set - like why expect a 64-bit Mac M-something to run a 32-bit game compiled for Windows using a x86 architecture, without needing to install something else to specifically handle that transition? Here is an example of someone doing the same with Ubuntu, needing to first install multiple libraries before it will “just work”.

Even so, there are multiple ways to make this procedure work on a Mac. Other than dual booting with an older copy of a 32-bit OS, emulators can work at near native speeds. Granted, it’s not as convenient as Wine (I would guess?), and won’t be until someone puts in the effort to make a 64-bit version of Wine (which does exist) that will natively support 32-bit programs, again compiled for a different OS (Windows) and chip architecture (x86). It only won’t work until… you know, it does.

Which it already does, using the likes of either Parallels or VMWare Fusion, which yeah requires the complexity of downloading an additional program and setting up a VM environment.

On the other hand, notice how according to this meme, there are zero problems with Linux, like EVER. In comparison, having to download an extra program, due to an event that happened all of once in the last 20 years of computing, and even that was 6 years ago now… apparently that’s “too much work”? How did this meme creator (which seems not OP according to other comments here) figure out how to join a Lemmy - wouldn’t having to pick an instance first likewise be too much to handle?! 😜

I kid, but this kind of tribal thinking (“in-group good, out-group bad”) doesn’t help anything, imho.

It’s probably more likely that they just needed to find something bad to say about Macs, and were too lazy to find one of the actual legitimate reasons (like it being closed source or something? probably bc the one used “sounds better”, to someone who can’t recognize that it is gaslighting).

The amount of purity whinging in Linux communities generally makes me sorry whenever I respond to one of these posts. On the other hand, I am not smart so here goes once more into the fray… 🤪

Mac is arguably more Unix than Linux is. Mind you, that doesn’t make it better, but yeah, why not allow people the freedom to choose?

Especially if your workplace is picking up the tab for the device, and all the more so if the only options are Windows vs. Mac bc that’s what the company has knowledge of due to them being used before.

Linux is great. Windows sucks ass. Mac is also great. What is so hard about saying that?

Defending the truth seems worthwhile to me. Even if for a mega corporation. There are valid criticisms to be used… but this is not one of them. We can do better!

But… to be fair, are there any versions of Linux that let you do this either? Replacing the OS, especially jumping from 32 to 64-bit, is kinda a HUGE deal!? I’ve had numerous problems switching Linux distros, and some issues switching Mac software, and they seem more or less the same to me? - if anything, it was easier for me to switch on a Mac?

I don’t know about Wine and older games - I would guess that recompilation would be in order. I could see if they jumped the gun specifically for the newer (at the time M1) series, that such tools were not yet ready by third party apps as Wine. Though Mac switches chip architecture so exceedingly rarely that it is barely an issue, long-term, and if anyone using Linux switched architecture it would similarly require recompilation as well?

I feel like I am not expressing myself well here, but I’m out of time to edit and hopefully you see what I mean:-).

And even then there are often still trolls… and also attention vampires who refuse to read anything unless directed specifically at them.

Bolf of you to presame that we d0… :-P