What are you talking about? It says 40% are male and killed as veal within a week.

I think I made by point and presented enough sources. I’m obviously not going to change your mind at this time.

An example of what people accept as normal:

In 2020, 4.9 million dairy calves were born in New Zealand. Exact numbers are not collected on the outcome of each calf, but NZ dairy industry lobby organisation DairyNZ estimate that of those:

2 million (40%) were bobby calves, who are killed around a week after birth.

1.4 million (28%) were female cows kept by dairy farmers to replace the 20-30% of older cows who will be slaughtered every year when they are no longer deemed productive.

1.3 million (27%) were raised to maturity for beef. Beef animals are generally slaughtered when they reach maturity at around one and half years old.

196,000 (4%) were born dead or die shortly after birth.

It’s not a byproduct. 80% of global soy is grown to feed animals.

“Udder Boys against the Oatification of Milk!”

Damn, I need to copyright that! :)

Normal, natural and necessary are the three N’s of Carnism. Also:

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat too

Yes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics. Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself “What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now”? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.

Shouldn’t you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don’t do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn’t we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?

What happens to the other 97%?

You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.

we add tons of god knows what chemicals

This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I’m from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous “chemicals” to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn’t transcends this.

There is (almost) no baby killing going on

Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald’s can sell you cheap beef burgers.

most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly

Vegan Bullshit Bingo #17: Cows need to be milked
We did that to them by breeding them like that. That’s Bullshit Bingo #32.

Also, if you don’t want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don’t feed animals, feed people! We’re losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC

I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit. :)

normal people

Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.

Bummelkasten Ultras !!!