There are more varieties of cleansers in heaven and earth, kruhmaster, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

(Soaps come in all different kinds, you can’t reliably tell by appearance in the container alone what any given product is, and as well human perception is flawed so it’s entirely possible to not notice something like this if you’re not looking too closely)

I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.

Where did I say that?

Right here:

I don’t want to be around a Nazi, but I also won’t inherently be against it. I’d rather be friends with a Nazi who’s fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to.

First, you think being boring is worse than being a Nazi. What the fuck is up with that?

Secondly, “Work with” covers a lot, and I do mean all of it. Work with them to advance their agenda when they’re in government, work to be friends with them and normalise their views, it doesn’t matter how you work with them. So I’m done. You’re a fucking Nazi, just not the kind you’re thinking of. You’re the everyday Nazi, who sat there in Germany and shrugged as people were starved and beaten and gassed. That’s exactly what I’ve been highlighting for you this whole time, and you just came out and said it 👍

Edit: blocked and also get fucked.

The response isn’t “eh”. The response is disagreement.

No, anything less than “that’s fucked up and fuck you for as long as you believe that” isn’t disagreement, it’s disinterest. You’re looking at views as just abstract paintings someone hangs on their wall; they’re not, a person’s views inform the way they act. Most beliefs you’re absolutely fine to say “no I don’t like that one” and not look at it, but keep hanging out at the house.

The painting in this case is the gas chambers, it’s the people making lists of of other people for Nazis to kill, it’s the public beatings and total lack of freedom and justice for all. It’s not a painting of those things, these beliefs are those things. It’s not abstract at all, and it’s not compatible with how free and open cultures work at a fundamental level.

I absolutely hate the term social contract.

Why? It accurately describes what society is.

So that you aren’t around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don’t want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. “Abhorrent” means “So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it”. From everything you’ve been saying though, you don’t find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.

That’s what “work with” these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won’t compromise on the mass murder, so that means you’ll have to.

Of course we would judge them, because they’re happily talking to a Nazi. How can you exchange the time of day with someone who would happily sit there and murder thousands of innocent people in cold blood?

“Hello yes my job is gas chamber operator”

“oh, ok. Did you see the ball game?”

^ literally everyone who’s saying it’s fine to work with Nazis. Is it really so difficult to see what’s wrong with that scene?

Fascism is not Nazism, but Nazism is a flavour of fascism.

I do understand what you mean and historically you’re absolutely right, it has always devolved into fascism. I don’t think you can name a system of government that hasn’t either started there or ended up there. But that was a process, capitalism isn’t written that way on paper at all. The tenets don’t line up. Like how communism in practice has very little to do with fascism (the managed economy bits often look similar on paper, though).

Yes, that is the core of the disagreement. You can always find someone to work with who doesn’t believe those things; otherwise you have to say “they’re fine except for this”. But they’re not fine except for that when “that” is “I don’t believe autistic people should exist so we should kill them all”. I guess to put it in an easy to digest sentence: Believing Nazi things is what makes someone a Nazi.

If someone comes around, then great. But we cannot allow “eh” to be the response to “those people who have done nothing wrong should die”. That’s your response when you work with Nazis, whether you’ll admit it to yourself or not. Because you will excuse that core tenet of their views, and I don’t think that’s reasonable.

The social contract has rules that say we can’t kill each other. Nazism does not respect that, so adherents of Nazism do not respect that, so they do not adhere to the social contract, thus they are not covered by it.

At the end of the day bud you’re here saying it’s okay to work with Nazis. It isn’t, period dot and end of story. Fix your ethics.

Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they’re a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they’re a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn’t immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil’d on TV TWICE, you’re a fuckin Nazi.

Nobody should have to tell you this.

I don’t concern myself with the opinions of Nazis or Nazi collaborators. Get fucked.

These things are not comparable. This person you spoke to has urges, not beliefs. He clearly doesn’t believe it’s right to want to fuck kids. Nazism is a personal political view, and that view includes the belief that I don’t have the right to exist. That the people I love don’t have a right to exist. That is not an exaggeration, that is a fact, and you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it. I do not, never have and never will, and I’m sick and tired of people pretending like a Nazi will just up and abandon the monstrous core principles of their entire platform. You will never budge them, they will only drag you down to their level if you try. Other opinions are fine; Nazis are not.

The correct answer is “Ten Nazis”. We are clearly not on the same page - yours has a swastika on it.

You, and most others, have clearly forgotten that there is a line and that line is Nazism. Not “everyone is a Nazi”. Just the ones willing to sit by quietly and let them advance their agenda, instead of loudly and violently fighting them at every turn. You might not be able to admit it to yourself, but I don’t concern myself with the opinions of Nazis so I don’t really care what you think about the fact.

Unfortunately this is incorrect as far as these ideologies go. They’re fundamentally incompatible with the principles of a free democratic society and so cannot be tolerated by anyone who claims to uphold the values of a free democratic society. If claim to uphold those values, and you’re sitting at the table with those people: No you fucking don’t. “Good person” and “correct” do not enter the equation at any point.

No need, the answer tells enough.

You really don’t see what’s happening around you?

Let me just make sure we’re on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?

Yeah, that’s just the zeitgeist - closer and closer to midnight.

I bought it way back in the day, in the beginnings of the Humble Bundle, but it’s never felt finished to me. Admittedly, last I remember of it was that tech demo which includes a few arena maps, so maybe it got updates I didn’t play. I was really impressed with how the combat felt when it “clicked” though, even in the early stage.

Oh hey, I played Overgrowth too! The best fighting game never made, maybe.