i just really hate snap
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I just don’t see the point of them when there are flatpaks. I’m not super knowledgeable on Snaps so maybe there’s some huge benefit I don’t know about, but they always just seemed like a worse version of flatpak to me.
The huge benefit (to canonical) is that they control the store/repo.
How exactly is that a benefit?
I should have added a /s.
Canonical controls the back end and that (along with how canonical has treated snaps in Ubuntu pulling them in with apt calls) are two major reasons snaps get (justified) hate
I don’t see the point of flatpaks when there are appimages.
Anyway last I heard snap has terminal/server apps and more system interaction.
What I like about flatpaks over appimages is that they will get updated, be included in the application list, and not live inside my Downloads Directory
I have been using an app called gear lever to manage my app images and I am very happy.
Also deduplication is nice
You might like that snaps can update themselves.
I’ve been specifically avoiding Ubuntu because of snaps, instead preferring Ubuntu derivatives that don’t use it, like Mint and Pop.
And more recently, trying an entirely different approach with Arch.
And yes - I could get rid of snaps in Ubuntu if I wanted. But everything is just a little more annoying when you are going against the conventions of your distro.
You could try Debian, it’s basically Ubuntu without snaps.
More like Ubuntu is Debian with snaps and a CEO
I installed Linux Mint Debian Edition yesterday. I like it so far. Lots better than ubuntu.
I could.
Though I suppose it may be semantically more appropriate to say that Ubuntu is Debian with snaps (and with a bunch of other stuff too)
Thank you! It always irritates me when someone does say Debian is Ubuntu but without XYZ… No, Debian was first. Ubuntu is a Debian child that got molded into something that no Linux should ever be…
Linux Mint is Debian with snaps without snaps!
(I am now going to take this opportunity to point you all towards Linux Mint DE (Debian Edition))
switched to Debian from fedora after IBM started sticking their little dick fingers in everything.
little dick fingers
Definitely stealing this
It’s made even worse by some software pretending to be Ubuntu builds but just quietly installing a Snap version instead.
Looking at you, Firefox. 👀
Switched to EndeavourOS a couple of years ago as my main, and its been amazing. No regrets.
I love pop, just so you know 🙂
It’s called soda.
They could be talking about bubble wrap to be fair
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When our powers combine we become…! Ah shit! I need yo reinstall, the snap is reading from the apt folder again!
I always read ‘did not finish’
DNF (abbreviation for Dandified YUM)
These guys at Redhat don’t know how abbreviations work, I guess.
RIP in peace yellow dog linux
The most racing of all the package managers
Or the least.
I always see “did not find”
I used to work at the devil and I heard DNF from players all the time. Once I realized DNF was the package manager in fedora (recent switch) I never forgot the command again. It’s burned into my brain.
dnf5 ist pretty fast, almost pacman/apk level fast
yay
obligatory “something something aur is a haunted wasteland and it’s your fault for ignoring the forty warning signs”
What’s snap? I use LMDE and i don’t think i have that.
It’s Canonicals’ package manager. A lot of people, myself included, dislike it mostly because the backend is proprietary and it locks the repository to Canonical only. Also given their past history, it may be doing something nefarious.
it fucking up my Firefox was nefarious enough
Dunno what it’s like these days but brought steam to a crawl when I last used it
Also it’s the only package manager on my machine that broke shit
It’s fine Snap, I didn’t need to be able to set a default browser or connect it to other programs anyways ☺️
Where is Nix? Oh right, he’s in space, chilling.
nixpkgs is still kicking off their build pipeline, they’ll be here in 4 days
I have ubuntu on my server and I really need to switch it. It’s such a dick move when you apt install something and it opts for a snap. I just roll my eyes and groan when I think of having to back up EVERYTHING (music, media, dockers configs, compiled projects, random projects, etc) in order to switch the distro. I dont’ have the time to do it. It’s like nearly 2TB worth of stuff.
Isn’t the default installation of Ubuntu to BTRFS? In which case, you should have an
subvolume with Ubuntu that’s mounted to/, and an@homesubvolume that’s mounted to/home.Make a new subvolume, install a new operating system into it, and choose that subvolume in the bootloader, should be able to have Ubuntu and ‘your favourite OS’ (I use Arch btw) living side-by-side with the same home directory.
…you can do that? Huh.
i’ve been waiting for an update to break Cachy, before reinstalling, but nothing seems to break like my previous Arch based distros. I put BTRFS on everything because snapshots are the best.
So, I’m a novice Linux user and have been on Ubuntu for maybe 2 years now. And I’m just starting to really hit the SNAPS wall - IE, just a bit too much of what I want doesn’t install through snaps. Is there a good progression for my “next distro after Ubuntu?”. Still need some training wheels, but ready to take the next step.
Is there a good progression for my “next distro after Ubuntu?”.
Yes. Linux Mint has got your back.
I also vouch for Mint in your case because it’s based on Ubuntu there is less of a learning curve than Fedora/OpenSuse
i had to learn linux 25 years ago in college the year i was an engineering undergrad (that sucked. not the work, the people) and i mostly don’t want to reinvest the time to learn it again. but mint seems like the right distro for what i want to do.
Look at Fedora or OpenSUSE.
Another vote for Mint. I run Mint on anything graphical and straight Debian on anything headless; ten years ago that was Ubuntu and Debian instead
Until recently, I’ve had no real preference as mostly using RHEL clones at work. Now using Ubuntu…and snap has been causing issues.
I like snaps. The nextcloud snap served me well for a decade at my last job. The ability to put everything required into one snap package and never modify the base system is awesome.
As someone who is new to Linux, with Ubuntu Studio installed on a PC, I have absolutely no idea why Ubuntu is seemingly hated by everyone on lemmy. I just don’t get it. Seems to work fine, Installation was easy. Sure I had to tinker to get yabridge going, but that’s sorted now
I just don’t get it
As an old-timey Linux user, I eventually stopped using Ubuntu because they have a habit of kind of fixating on whatever they think is the new cool thing, and going all-in on it while other important things stagnate, then they get it to the point where it’s almost really good, then ditch it and go chasing after the next shiny thing.
Off the top of my head there was the Unity desktop, Mir, This thing where they wanted an OS that would run on both desktops and phones interchangeably, and now it’s Snaps. I don’t think Ubuntu is a bad distro, but I also don’t think it’s the best distro for newcomers necessarily because of it’s habit of suddenly lurching off in a new direction every few years. But that’s just me of course, if it works for you then go for it!
I have absolutely no idea why Ubuntu is seemingly hated by everyone on lemmy.
It’s Snaps.
I mentioned somewhere else that my reason for using Linux is that, when I have a problem, no one designed that problem to extract money from me.
Snaps feel designed to extract money.
The funny part is, I’ve bought Ubuntu CDs just to support Canonical. I like giving them money.
But Snaps feel like more of the kind of bullshit that I left Windows over, to me.
Snaps redirect some of my software requests from fully free community packages into a partially paid app store. They’re not (yet) ripping me off, they just appear to be getting ready to rip me off.
Seems to work fine, Installation was easy.
Yes. Ubuntu is a fine place to start. It was the first Linux distro that really worked for me.
Eventually, down the line, Snap may cause you some headaches, so we generally recommend Mint, which is effectively Ubuntu without Snap.
The anger is just that Canonical keeps claiming to be an ally while appearing to prepare to rip people off by selling other people’s work that they gave away for free, for a fee.
For context, many companies that have joined FOSS community have gone in this direction. People can be trustworthy. Corporations cannot, because they get sold or their CEO changes.
meme answer: it’s too easy to use
actual answer: it’s not optimized for the level of customization your average linux user wants
