America or a stalemate depending on how you look at it. The stated goals were achieved, the end of impressment of American sailors by the British slavers Navy, international recognition of American sovereignty, and an end to trade restrictions by the British (so in short to get the British to accept that America was independent and would stay that way, get over it)
Now, the reality is that they really just wanted to annex Canada, the stated goals while justified were secondary to that and that obviously failed.
The war ended with no territory changing hands but with the major American diplomatic demands being met. Aka, victory, if not the one they really wanted.
The British Empire.
Do you think 1812 is a footnote and not one of the major wars taught in American history? It’s a footnote to British history, sure, as a side theatre of the Napoleonic Wars but it was a war that could have ended America and it’s taught as such, sometimes explicitly as a continuation of the segments on the Revolution.
See, when any other country invades another country and then gets kicked back out and gets their capitol burned to the ground, they are generally considered to have lost that war.
Imagine if Ukraine repelled Russia to back into their historical borders and bombed the Putin’s palace into Rubble, would you describe that as a victory for Russia?
Are you trying to demonstrate that Americans are as ignorant of other wars as they are of the ones within their own country? Well, good point, I guess.
Oh, so the French and Indian War was basically a massively important pre-Revolution war that later saw a lot of commanders and veterans from that war become commanders and soldiers and/or political figures in the Revolution…
And it massively shaped the overall martial culture of the colonies, the massive cost of it laid the ground work for justifying many of the specific taxes and policies that were later explictly rebelled against during the Revolution…
… it established and cemented territorial claims and boundaries, such that more complex and stable local and regional economies could either form or further solidify…
And it saw the beginnings of a collective identity that was seen as distinct and seperate from that of the overseas imperial homeland.
So you’re saying it was a massively important war that helped lay the groundwork for forming a nascent, collective, national identity.
You’re very much overstating the importance of a two year war fought fifty years before Canada was even formed but otherwise sure, that was already implied.
And it still doesn’t change the fact that America didn’t lose the War of 1812 and you’d have to be profoundly ignorant to claim it did.
Now, if you want to point out that just like in the Revolution America only survived because the Empire was busy fighting the French, that’s an interesting point to bring up.
Fun Fact: the European population of Canada in 1812 was ~250k. It would grow by ~90k, an absolute absurd population boom from American loyalists immigrating during and after the war…
When they realized the British Empire wouldn’t be retaking the colonies after all.
(The population of America in 1812 was 7.2 million, so it turns out the most important facet of 1812 for Canada wasn’t the “martial tradition” of doing what the British said but getting 1.25% of Americans to immigrate there)
Ok then, so you can perhaps see how, albeit the War of 1812 and the French and Indian War werent the same war and didnt change their respective societies in precisely the same ways…
The war of 1812 would ineed be a rather important milestone in Pre-Canadian history, from a Canadian point of view?
Well you never explicitly said that, but given the tenor of your earlier replies… you didn’t really seem to place much focus on it, instead saying it would have been a footnote in British history.
America or a stalemate depending on how you look at it. The stated goals were achieved, the end of impressment of American sailors by the British
slaversNavy, international recognition of American sovereignty, and an end to trade restrictions by the British (so in short to get the British to accept that America was independent and would stay that way, get over it)Now, the reality is that they really just wanted to annex Canada, the stated goals while justified were secondary to that and that obviously failed.
The war ended with no territory changing hands but with the major American diplomatic demands being met. Aka, victory, if not the one they really wanted.
The British Empire.
Do you think 1812 is a footnote and not one of the major wars taught in American history? It’s a footnote to British history, sure, as a side theatre of the Napoleonic Wars but it was a war that could have ended America and it’s taught as such, sometimes explicitly as a continuation of the segments on the Revolution.
See, when any other country invades another country and then gets kicked back out and gets their capitol burned to the ground, they are generally considered to have lost that war.
Imagine if Ukraine repelled Russia to back into their historical borders and bombed the Putin’s palace into Rubble, would you describe that as a victory for Russia?
Thank you for demonstrating my statement for me.
No, you lose a war when it’s lost lmao.
Did France, Ethiopia, and China lose WW2?
Did Russia for that matter? The Kremlin was bombed, I guess that means their army had to give up and stop fighting.
Very credible opinion you have there. Definitely don’t look any further at your own biases…
Are you trying to demonstrate that Americans are as ignorant of other wars as they are of the ones within their own country? Well, good point, I guess.
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… Do you think its a footnote…
… In Canadian history?
I think Canada’s relationship to 1812 is approximately that of American involvement in the French and Indian War.
Technically it’s part of the history, as a British colony with the fighting done by British troops pulled from all over the empire.
Oh, so the French and Indian War was basically a massively important pre-Revolution war that later saw a lot of commanders and veterans from that war become commanders and soldiers and/or political figures in the Revolution…
And it massively shaped the overall martial culture of the colonies, the massive cost of it laid the ground work for justifying many of the specific taxes and policies that were later explictly rebelled against during the Revolution…
… it established and cemented territorial claims and boundaries, such that more complex and stable local and regional economies could either form or further solidify…
And it saw the beginnings of a collective identity that was seen as distinct and seperate from that of the overseas imperial homeland.
So you’re saying it was a massively important war that helped lay the groundwork for forming a nascent, collective, national identity.
… right?
You’re very much overstating the importance of a two year war fought fifty years before Canada was even formed but otherwise sure, that was already implied.
And it still doesn’t change the fact that America didn’t lose the War of 1812 and you’d have to be profoundly ignorant to claim it did.
Now, if you want to point out that just like in the Revolution America only survived because the Empire was busy fighting the French, that’s an interesting point to bring up.
Fun Fact: the European population of Canada in 1812 was ~250k. It would grow by ~90k, an absolute absurd population boom from American loyalists immigrating during and after the war…
When they realized the British Empire wouldn’t be retaking the colonies after all.
(The population of America in 1812 was 7.2 million, so it turns out the most important facet of 1812 for Canada wasn’t the “martial tradition” of doing what the British said but getting 1.25% of Americans to immigrate there)
Ok then, so you can perhaps see how, albeit the War of 1812 and the French and Indian War werent the same war and didnt change their respective societies in precisely the same ways…
The war of 1812 would ineed be a rather important milestone in Pre-Canadian history, from a Canadian point of view?
Who said it wasn’t?
Well you never explicitly said that, but given the tenor of your earlier replies… you didn’t really seem to place much focus on it, instead saying it would have been a footnote in British history.
They also put down Tecumseh’s confederacy and killed like 10k natives that didn’t agree with them which was a major thorn in their side.
Yeah, you can’t forget that just because they couldn’t expand north with murder it still enabled westward expansion with murder.