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3 panel meme. First panel: “I made a new internet slang”. Second panel: “New or misused AAVE?” Third panel: “Misused AAVE”. :::

the other 20% is either 4chan incel language or something trump tweeted in 2017

  • nthavoc@lemmy.todayEnglish
    17·
    2 months ago

    Thanks, I had no clue what AAVE was either. I guess we’re not calling it jive anymore and have to use acronyms to make it more confusing? Is the word “Jive” racist now or something?

    • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      271·
      2 months ago

      Jive, ebonics, and other terms were used as slurs by racists in the same way they are using woke and DEI as slurs now. Jive was a specific subset, and I think AAVE is the new term for ebonics. The longer name and acronym are to make it clear what it is referring to.

      Jive has probably been out of the spotlight long enough that the racists won’t recognize it, but I wouldn’t recommend using it unless you know what it is actually referring to.

      • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 months ago

        Jive is such a good sounding word though, this kinda sounds like white knighting similar to Latinx where no one from that group was asking for a new label lol.

        Idk tho, cis white man, who am I to say

        • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          This label isn’t being imposed on anyone, it is just the term used in academia to describe a certain way of communicating.

      • Scubus@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 months ago

        Is it racist in the context of “i dont jive with that”? Never thought of the etynomics of the word

        • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          I don’t think that or ‘jive turkey’ are likely to get any pushback like using it to describe black people talking would. Context matters.

          • Scubus@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            2 months ago

            Appreciate it. I have never heard of that word in any context other than what i mentioned, so it must not be oart of the local lexicon or it was before my time.

            • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              2 months ago

              If this doesn’t ring a bell, it might be before your time.

              image from the movie airplane where an old whife lady offers to translate for teo blsck men by saying "I speak jive"

              (The scene was making fun of racist stereotypes.)

    • nandeEbisu@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 months ago

      AAVE is an umbrella term for a variety of dialects that developed in African American Communities. Jive is specificic to Harlem in the 30s and 40s but I guess people started using it to refer to all AAVE.